Wednesday, June 16, 2010

More Evidence Proving That Ergun Caner Is A Fake [Jihad Vs. Religious Liberty]

By Chaud  

This PDF does not deserve a response , like you all saw I don't mind taking Ergun's arguments head on , but he brought no facts in this PDF , only absurdities and false propaganda , the same propaganda uttered by every islamophobe.

However I will touch on a few points and provide a number of Muslim articles about Jihad and what it really means.

Before I begin I will revisit one of Ergun Caner's errors in "Glossary of Arabic terms" , to clarify quickly what the meaning of Jihad is in Islam.

"JIHAD: “Holy fighting.”"
This mistake is usually made by fake ex-muslims who resent Islam , just like Ergun.

Jihad in Islam has multiple and a wide definitions depending on context , but there is not a single authoritative definition that says "Holy fighting" , in the context of war , Jihad does mean to fight back the enemy in the name of God , but this is no the greater meaning of Jihad in Islam or Arabic , for more about this please read this (recommended reading before you continue)

In the Arabic language Jihad means "to strive" or "to struggle" , in Islam it means to strive for righteousness , for example it takes "Jihad" [جهاد] to resist alcohol .

The problem with Christians who adhere to the false definition is that they do not know the same word "Jihad" [جهاد] in their bible , and in the Arabic New Testaments to be specific. (Source)

Luke 22:44
وَإِذْ كَانَ فِي جِهَادٍ كَانَ يُصَلِّي بِأَشَدِّ لَجَاجَةٍ، وَصَارَ عَرَقُهُ كَقَطَرَاتِ دَمٍ نَازِلَةٍ عَلَى الأَرْضِ.

Philippians 1:30
إِذْ لَكُمُ الْجِهَادُ عَيْنُهُ الَّذِي رَأَيْتُمُوهُ فِيَّ، وَالآنَ تَسْمَعُونَ فِيَّ.

Colossians 2:1
فَإِنِّي أُرِيدُ أَنْ تَعْلَمُوا أَيُّ جِهَادٍ لِي لأَجْلِكُمْ، وَلأَجْلِ الَّذِينَ فِي لاَوُدِكِيَّةَ، وَجَمِيعِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَرَوْا وَجْهِي فِي الْجَسَدِ،

1 Thessalonians 2:2
بَلْ بَعْدَ مَا تَأَلَّمْنَا قَبْلاً وَبُغِيَ عَلَيْنَا كَمَا تَعْلَمُونَ، فِي فِيلِبِّي، جَاهَرْنَا فِي إِلهِنَا أَنْ نُكَلِّمَكُمْ بِإِنْجِيلِ اللهِ، فِي جِهَادٍ كَثِيرٍ.

1 Timothy 6:12
جَاهِدْ جِهَادَ الإِيمَانِ الْحَسَنَ، وَأَمْسِكْ بِالْحَيَاةِ الأَبَدِيَّةِ الَّتِي إِلَيْهَا دُعِيتَ أَيْضًا، وَاعْتَرَفْتَ الاعْتِرَافَ الْحَسَنَ أَمَامَ شُهُودٍ كَثِيرِينَ

2 Timothy 4:7
قَدْ جَاهَدْتُ الْجِهَادَ الْحَسَنَ، أَكْمَلْتُ السَّعْيَ، حَفِظْتُ الإِيمَانَ،

Hebrews 12:1
لِذلِكَ نَحْنُ أَيْضًا إِذْ لَنَا سَحَابَةٌ مِنَ الشُّهُودِ مِقْدَارُ هذِهِ مُحِيطَةٌ بِنَا، لِنَطْرَحْ كُلَّ ثِقْل، وَالْخَطِيَّةَ الْمُحِيطَةَ بِنَا بِسُهُولَةٍ، وَلْنُحَاضِرْ بِالصَّبْرِ فِي الْجِهَادِ الْمَوْضُوعِ أَمَامَنَا،

Go to any English translation of these verses , somehow it will always have a positive meaning of struggling and putting effort for the truth , did the Arab Christians make a mistake ? because according to Ergun , it seems like Jesus was on an unjustified violent holy war , Paul was on an unjustified violent holy war , and all Christians are commanded to go on a violent unjustified holy war as well.  (More Evidence Proving That Ergun Caner Is A Fake [Glossary of Arabic Terms] - Jihad)

 Ergun knows he can not find a single authoritative hadith , verse from the Quran , scholarly definition that can support his claims on Jihad , so he gives no definition to the term "Jihad" to somehow allude to the islamophobic definition of the term.

Another problem with people like Ergun , they can not answer or refute other points related to Jihad like the Greater Jihad which is a personal struggle to be ethical and righteous , or the laws of war in Islam , all Muslims must adhere to this law , when Muslims go to war they do not kill civilians , women , children , animals , plants , they are forbidden to burn homes , destroy crop , loot....etc

Ergun's PDF begins with  


Did Ergun address the issue of religious liberty in Islam ? NO ! he is assuming religious liberty does no exist in Islam and somehow exists in the New Testament (when in reality it doesn't) , this former "sunni Muslim" never read seera books , hadith or even the Quran , I will use one example from the Quran , a whole chapter on religious liberty , does Ergun know this chapter exists ? I doubt it.

1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (Quran , Sura 109 The Disbelievers)

With these facts in mind , let us move on.

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Islam......Guilty of atrocious crimes against humanity.(Crusades in the past, Sudan in the present)"

Where does Islam teach atrocious crimes ? If certain "Muslims" in the past were guilty of certain crimes then blame them , if Ergun wishes to blame Islam he must show beyond any doubt that Islam's teachings are responsible.

Sudan in the present ? Readers , I listed the laws of war according to Islam , do the "jihadists" in Sudan comply with these laws ? How can this be "Islamic Jihad" if the EXPLICIT laws of Jihad are not being followed ? if the Quran is not being followed ?

"Christianity......Guilty of atrocious crimes against humanity. (Crusades in the past, none in the present)"

Unlike Ergun I am not a double standard hypocrite , I do believe that Christianity just like Islam is a religion that teaches peace and ethics , I do not believe all the violence going on the world is from religion (except the violence committed by the satanic state of Israel) , so I will not accuse Christianity of any violence.

Ergun argues that Christianity is not guilty of any present crimes , lets adapt his methodology which can be summarized as : 
1- Find a state with some violence in it , disregarding how and why the violence exists.
2- Find Christians comitting them.
3- Rip their scriptures out of context.
4- Ignore what their scriptures really say on the issue of peace and war.
5- Write a document about it.

and that is what I will do. 

We all heard about the current Muslim-Christian violence going on in Nigeria , while the media likes to conceal the truth , in reality the Muslims did not start the violence there , it was THE CHRISTIAN CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT THAT TREATS MUSLIMS LIKE 2ND CLASS CITIZENS 

"The government there is Christian-controlled, and Muslims have complained they are treated as second-class citizens there. Aid workers said the most recent violence came in response to a January attack in Muslim areas." (Source)

Do more research on this topic (Religious violence in Nigeria) and see for yourself what Christianity is guilty of according to the standards set by Ergun Caner himself.

Now for scriptures , do I need to remind Ergun that he believes in the Old Testament ? the most violent book of all time ? weather he believes it's abrogated or not , it can still influence violence and backward thinking in the world .

some examples from the "all loving God" :

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. (Deuteronomy 7:1-2)

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)

Hence according to Ergun's methodology , Christian violence is supported by scriptures.

Note to Christians : I do not hold this view , I am showing how absurd Ergun is , if you got a problem with this , then you know you have a problem with Ergun Caner.

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Based in their scriptures. (Surah 9:5; 9:29)" 

I would say "Based on your ignorance , Sura 9:5 & 9:29 teaches unnecessary violence" .

Islamophobes like Caner totally ignore the historical context , the reasons of revelation , what Islam has to teach about violence and peace as a whole .

Dr Jamal Badawi explains these verses along with the context in the following video :

So let me get this straight , it's ok for the non-believers to attack and kill Muslims and Muslims are not allowed to defend themselves ? because this is what Ergun believes weather he knows it or not.

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"Since conversion of state to Islam comes via the sword, Church and State should be combined."

There a number of difficulties and errors here , I previously explained the reasons Muslims might go to war could be self defense or to promote religious freedom.

First of all since when did the conversation of a state to Islam comes ONLY via sword ? I challenge Ergun to bring one authentic historical source that records one Muslim solider going to Indonesia (currently the biggest Muslim state) or East Africa.

2nd , this assertion creates even more historical problems , How did the Mongols become Muslim ? The Mongols where the only case in history in which the invader adapts the religion of the invaded , how did the weak defeated Muslims convert the Mongols ? How did the Mongolian empire become a Muslim state ? By the sword ? No historian says it was by the sword, but by the teachings if Islam .

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Membership into Islamic faith from birth. The father speaks the Creed into his child’s ear."
This has nothing to do with the topic , but he makes a factual error here.

When Muslims welcome a newborn into this world , the father does not speak the creed (shahada) into the child's ear , the father speaks the AZAN (the call for prayer) , I thought Ergun was the son of Mu'zin ? and he does not know the difference between the Azan and the shahada , amazing !

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"Since Evangelical Christians hold to a Believers’Church, Church and State should remain separate."

Christians like Ergun like to pretend their faith has nothing to do with politics and the state when in reality they bring up the bible all the time ! which Christian supports the liberation of pornography ? strip clubs , drugs , divorce ? the oppose all this because of their faith and what the bible teaches.

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"Membership into the Christian body is voluntary and personal. The person must make a profession of faith when reaching the age of understanding."

What a joke ! what do Christian do to their children before the age of understanding ? they teach them the bible , it's stories , it's theology ("Jesus died for your sins") , no wonder he/she will profess faith since he/she was taught to believe it with no evidence.

There is a fact we all must accept , children are usually converted to a certain faith by their parents , or by birthrights , Christianity is not better .

In Islam , a person is accounted for his/her actions and beliefs when reaching the age of understanding , so if Ergun wishes to make that argument for Christianity , it is easily applicable for Islam as well.

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"Where Christians are a minority, they are limited in their freedoms. They cannot worship openly,denominations cannot give an education, etc.Tragically, millions have given their lives for the faith."

I see no limited freedoms where I live , Christians still give out pamphlets , talk about faith openly , we have discussions with them all the time ,  and "limited freedom" is not supported by Islam .

Millions have given their lives for the faith ? Limited freedom in Islam ? I ask Ergun to entertain us with evidence and sources because this is a lie uttered by the Coptic Christians all the time !

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"(Islam).....Infidels have no right to exist(Hadith 9:57) , (Christianity) Infidels should be protected in order to give them every opportunity to accept the Gospel. (2 Peter 3:9)"

What kind of reference is this ? This is reference to nothing ! which hadith collection is he referring to ? Burkhari , Muslim , Musnad Ahmad ? 

this what I meant by double standard hypocrisy , Ergun doesn't mind quoting Sura 9:5 , why doesn't he quote Sura 9:6 ? what is he afraid of ? it is the same "violent" sura that teaches "Jihad: , I'll tell you why because it refutes his case and exposes him as a lair.

"If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge." (Sura 9:6)
This is exactly what 2 Peters 3:9 teaches (according to Ergun) , no where does Islam teach that the nonbeliever has no right to exist , however I can bring a couple of old testament bible verses.
Ergun's bogus conclusion : 

"(Islam) If they act according to what their scriptures say, violence and force is commanded.(Christianity) If they act according to what their Scriptures say peace is commanded."

Did he bring any evidence to support this claim ? Do I need to bring up the Old Testament to prove how Christianity can never bring peace ? Unnecessary violence and force is not taught in Islam , but Ergun is deluded when he believes it is based on his false understanding of Islam due to the fact he was never a Muslim to begin with.

I recommend reading this article :

Jihad: A War Against All Non-Muslims or Not?: by Kevin Abdullah Kareem 

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