Wednesday, June 16, 2010

More Evidence Proving That Ergun Caner Is A Fake [Jehovah God vs Allah]

By Chaud  

This has got to be one of the worse publications I have ever seen ! is this a joke ? I had thoughts back and forward....should I respond or not ? I decided to respond to show how ignorant Ergun is.

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"God does not change.James 1: 17: Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no varying, neither shadow of turning."

How does this explain the alleged incarnation ? God who is infinite becoming finite (a man) ? God who is timeless became subjected to time ? The Old Testament makes it clear that God is not a man , so if God doesn't change , how did he become a man thus CHANGING ?

"Allah of Islam changes.Surah 2: 106 If We supersede any verse or cause it to be forgotten, We bring a better one or one similar. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things!"

Muslims ! do you know any scholar who understands this verse this way ? This verse is speaking about the doctrine of abrogation , in specific on the abrogation of certain laws , what does this have to do with God changing ? by the way God does not change in Islam.

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"God loves everyone.John 3: 16: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son…"

As a Muslim I do not claim that Allah (swt) loves everyone equally , but the claim that God unconditionally loves everyone is ABSURD , it's not logical nor is it biblical.

If God loves everyone unconditionally , why did he create hell ? why did he order the death of women and children in the Old Testament ? Does God love satan ? Does God love serial killers ? Christians might try to argue that God hates the sin not the sinner , well the bible does not support this claim at all.

4 You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.
 5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.
 6 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the LORD abhors. (Psalm 5:4-6)

23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them. (Leviticus 20:23)

13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." (Romans 9:13)

What a great all loving God !

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Allah is tempermental.Surah 32: 13:If we so willed, we could have brought every soul its true guidance,but the word from me will come true: ‘I will fill Hell with demons and men all together.’ "

This man has the audacity to fabricate this lie ! he believes in the Old Testament ! did he read the Old Testament ? God there is jealous and proud of it , he is the one who has a temper .

How does this verse prove that Allah has a temper ? I would really appreciate a response from Ergun explaining this absurdity because a simple reading of this verse does not prove that Allah has a temper.

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Allah deceives.Surah 8: 30: They plot and plan, and Allah, too plans, but the best of planners (deceivers) is Allah."

Ergun quotes the verse correctly , but insists on adding "deceivers" to prove his point , this is pathetic.

The word "MAKR" in the Arabic language has 2 different meanings , one of blame (mathmum) and one of praise (mahmood) , in this verse it is of praise (mahmood) meaning "to plan" , God plans and still plans , and he is the best of planners, is this hard for Ergun to believe ?

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Islam believes the Christian trinity is God the Father, God the Mother (Mary) and God the Son (Jesus). Surah 5: 116: “And behold! God will say: O Jesus the son of Mary didst say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods’ in derogation of Allah?"

This misunderstanding happens when trinitarians try to shove their beliefs into the Quran , this verse does not even mention the trinity ! so how can it be addressing it ?

Muslims have refuted this claim over and over again , just search the internet and see for yourself , I believe the best explanation is that this verse is addressing those who took Jesus and Mary (peace be upon them both) as intercessors between God and man , thus committing shirk.

In the "Jesus vs Muhammad" section in Ergun's PDF , he relies heavily on the book of Revelation and the letters , I do not want to go into a biblical authenticity discussion , so I will ignore it and focus on his false accusations against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and some of issues regarding Jesus (pbuh).

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Jesus forbade the use of the sword.Matthew 26: 52: Then said Jesus unto him,Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

I assume Ergun believes Jesus is God , did he read the Old Testament ? "Jesus" ordered nations to be destroyed , women , children , even donkeys to be put down by the sword , does this verse Ergun quotes erase all that ? This is hypocrisy at its best.

This verse also begs the question , if Jesus forbade the use of a sword , why did he order the disciples to get them in the first place ?

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"Muhammed taught revenge.Surah 2: 194 The sacred month for the sacred month, prohibitions are (subject to) retaliation. If any one aggresses against you, so aggress against him with the likeness of that which he has aggressed against you."

The limits of Ergun's desperation to discredit and slander prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is amazing !

All Muslims know that "revenge" is totally forbidden in Islam , Islam teaches something similar to "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" but it urges forgiveness and doing good to those who have harmed you depending on the situation , a fair balance.

Imam Al-Qurtubi gives is the reason of revelation in his commentary :

"The  disbelievers said to the prophet - peace be upon him - : "Did you forbid o'Muhammad fighting in the sacred months ? he (the prophet) said : Yes , yet they (the disbelievers) want to fight , so this verse was revealed. The meaning : if they (the disbelievers) did not forbid fighting in this months , then fight back , so Allah allowed this for self defense" (Source)
Does this look like a teaching of "revenge" ? NO ! it is righteous teaching of self defense ?

For more on the teachings of forgiveness in Islam click here (recommended reading).

Ergun Caner's PDF says : 

"Muhammed was Sinful. Surah 18: 110: Say: 'I am only a human like you, revealed to me is that your God is One God. Let him who hopes for the encounter with his Lord do good work, and not associate anyone with the worship of his Lord.' "

In what loony-toon fairy tale does this prove Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was "sinful" ? Yes Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was only a human , we do not claim he is God , how does this prove he was sinful ?

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Jihad is the only eternal security.Surah 3: 157: And if you are slain, or die in the way of Allah,forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass."

The concept of Jihad , salvation in Islam along with a refutation for this can be found here and here.

Ergun Caner's PDF says :

"Allah forces worship.Surah 2: 193: Fight against them until there is no dissension, and the religion is for Allah. Surah 9: 29: Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated."

I am not sure if Ergun lives on planet earth anymore , how do these verses prove Allah (swt) forces worship ? these are war time verses that deal with the time of war in certain situations , and poorly translated too.

How can Allah (swt) force worship when he says explicitly in the Quran :

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." (Sura 2:256) 

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