Wednesday, February 10, 2010

"Refuting David Wood on Tafsir of the Quran" By Ozzycda

Thanks to brother Collin for allowing me to share the video , and I thank him for his efforts , may Allah (swt) accept.

Brother Collin made an excellent 35 minute video in response to another video on youtube which was a segment from "Jesus or Muhammad ?" , a tv show on the Aramaic broadcasting network which aims to evangelize Muslims here in the middle east (and horribly failing....) . Brother Collin's video is worth listening to , he deals with many of the major errors of Sam Shamoun ( and David Wood ( in dealing with Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Methodology of Understanding the Quran and The Abrogation Myth (Sura 9:29 abrogating Sura 2:56), along with other points .

I have a couple of comments :

1- Tele-Evangelism in the middle east has been going down the drain ever since Muslims have been calling live Tv shows and exposing ( in many cases "humiliating" ) the host and speakers , especially on channels like Sat 7 , Mu'jiza and ABN , its seems to me like Sam and David are what they call their "big guns" unfortunately for them Muslims in the Middle East are still not falling for it, and frankly resorting to David Wood and Sam Shamoun to evangelize English speaking Muslims in the Middle East is desperation at its best.

2- Usually The Muslim doesn't have a chance to speak and explain him/herself while the christian can do what he/she wants , I don't know if this happened in the original video but since I watch Christian missionary Tv all the time , its hard not to notice this (This happens a lot on Al-Hayat) .

3- I find the name of this show highly offensive , "Jesus or Muhammad ?" , what the hell ? Muslims don't have a concept of 'this prophet or that' , Muslims believe in Muhammad and Jesus Peace be upon them both  , and follow them both , this show should be called something a bit closer to the reality of the whole thing.....hmmm...something like :
"Muhammad or The Mythical Man-God of the New Testament ?"

Now that's more like it !

4- David's acting skills are awesome.....Abrogation !!!!!! yeah David exposed Islam ! , he really knows how to sound scholarly when making erroneous mistakes , David does a nice trick in the video where he uses an actual case of abrogation to build up a case for the abrogation myth , not knowing that abrogation ONLY DEALS WITH LAWS AND RULINGS (Shari'a) RELATED VERSES , not with original teachings of Islam like Sura 2:256 , listen to Collin's video to see what I mean , When will christian apologists learn that  Sura 2:256 IS NOT EVEN ABROGATE-ABLE ? , this is a long topic but to sum up the whole thing in a nut shell , Abrogated verses must not contain any of the attributes and names of Allah (swt) according to scholars , because abrogation is "cancellation" , and you can't cancel God nor can any verse cancel his own being and attributes , its illogical for God to cancel one of his attribute because God doesn't change , lets take at look at Sura 2:256

[ لَآ إِكۡرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِ‌ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ ٱلرُّشۡدُ مِنَ ٱلۡغَىِّ‌ۚ فَمَن يَكۡفُرۡ بِٱلطَّـٰغُوتِ وَيُؤۡمِنۢ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدِ ٱسۡتَمۡسَكَ بِٱلۡعُرۡوَةِ ٱلۡوُثۡقَىٰ لَا ٱنفِصَامَ لَهَا‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ ]

[ Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from Error; whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ]

This verse doesn't even satisfy the conditions for abrogation , if this is abrogated , then some scholar who didn't understand the Quran correctly is actually saying that Allah doesn't hear and know all things , which is absurd and rejected by all Muslims , Collin goes into more detail .

5- By the end of the video , I don't think anyone can believe David and Sam deal with the Quran in an honest way , or even a scholarly way.


Here is the video :

Brother Collin's Youtube Page (subscribe , his videos are great and full of useful info) .

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1 comment:

  1. It's worth noting that abrogation is in the Bible:

    The difference between abrogation in Bible and Quran, is that once a law in Quran has been abrogated, Quran will not then command us to follow that rule. However, the Bible does.

    The Biblical Jesus told us to follow the law (Matthew 5:17-20) & Paul even claimed to be a follower of Jesus, but made the law nothing (Romans 10:4) and claimed Jesus abolished the law (Ephesians 2:14-15) when Jesus said the opposite. Also, Paul even implies we should follow the law (Galatians 3:10) yet claimed Jesus abolished the law.

    Christians may claim that Jesus coming not to abolish the law but fulfilling it, means he fulfilled it by abolishing the law. However, this is a self refuting concept, because if by fulfilling the law means abolishing it, it contradicts the first part of the verse Mat 5:17. Also, no-where does the OT predict that someone will come to fulfill the law by abolishing it.